stambog

Stambog for Værnepligtige ved 1.Kystartilleribattalion 1907

401 Gottlieb R. K. T. Kbhvn
- is crossed out of the index register of recruits for 1907 (mostly born 1886) because he was sent to
10. artilleri afdeling - the tenth battery straight away.

so the first spoor

Arkiv-nr: 0230-102

Kystartilleriet, Trekroner
Fra	Til	Officielle navne
1786	1932	Trekroner
1713	1731	Trekroner

is where I will look next
but this series of archives was about the construction and administration of the fort and not the manning - the search continues

apprenticeship

De Danske Erherv København
circa 1906 - the book is printed on very poor paper and falling apart
it is being scanned and put on line soon

see:- Digital litteratur om København - Her kan du finde de historisk-topografiske værker, tekster, tegninger, kort og oversigter om København, som Rådhusbiblioteket netop nu kan byde på i digital form. Det digitale bibliotek vil løbende blive udbygget.

pattern makers shop


the aprentices were sent to the back for the photograph of the foundry


the foreman moulder and his mate have their beer ready to the right of the picture
Copenhagen workers drank beer during the day until very recently
historically the water was very bad and not drinkable unless boiled - hence cholera


big file 686k

the foundry

the great machine shop was driven by steam power through shafts, belts and pulleys

in 1900 Reinald and his younger brother Carl, were apprenticed as machinists
Maskinelære with Smith, Mygind & Hüttemeir 68 Nørrebrogade Copenhagen den sorte firkant

Carl was a hammer man and an apprentice smith
no photo yet of the black smith's shop
found yet
but ended up as an electrician
like his brother Reinald who became an electrical contractor in Aarhus by the time of 1921 census

the bridge building yard
the final assembly would be done on site with red hot rivets

Langebro - swing bridgeover Copenhagen harbour

Director S Koefed
Director J Caroc

my camera ran out of space so this is with the phone cam

time line of his brother Reinald Marius Gottlieb

14 April 1860 Rasmus Marius Gottlieb father born in Horsens Denmark
14 August 1858 Anne Kathrine Simonsen , his mother born in Aarhus, Hasle, Aarhus, Denmark

1 February 1870 census - folketælling circa 1874 confirmation ??

Rasmus Marius Gottlieb, 14 , , handskemager lærling

1 February 1880 census - folketælling
circa 1881

Rasmus Marius Gottlieb, 21 , handskemager svend

c 1881 oldest brother Georg Valdemar Johan Gottlieb born possibly in Aarhus 12 Apr 1884 parents married in Aarhus ? where

1884 and earlier
Krak vejviser
Gottlieb R M handskemager (glovemaker with own business)
Not listed

1 February 1885 census – folketælling Kjøbenhavn
Samtlige personer i husstanden
Kbhv, København (Staden), Badstuestræde, Kjøbenhavn, , Badstuestræde 8, forhus 2den sal, 5, FT-1885 Der vises flg. felter: Navn, Alder, Civilstand, Stilling i husstanden, Erhverv , Fødested Rasmus Marius Gottlieb, 25 , Gift, , handskemagersvend, Horsens Anna Cathrine Gottlieb, 26 , Gift, , , Aarhus folketælling 1885, bind 13, København


1885
Krak vejviser
Gottlieb R M handskemager (glovemaker with own busine

ss)
Badstuestræde 8 Copenhagen, Denmark

06 Mar 1885 Reinald Marius Gottlieb born at Badstuestræde 8, forhus 2den sal, 5, Copenhagen, Denmark 26 Apr 1885

Baptized at Helligaandskirken

1886
Krak vejviser
Gottlieb R M handskmager (glovemaker with own business)
Turensensgade 22 Copenhagen, Denmark

12 October 1886 youngest brother Karl Dane born
Rasmus Carl Therkelsen Gottlieb Turesensgade 23, Copenhagen, Denmark .
His father was Rasmus Carl Marius Gottlieb, a glovemaker, born in Horsens, and his mother was Anne Cathrine Simonsen, from Aarhus

1 November 1886
his future sister in law Carla Dagmar Hagen born in Copenhagen
father kunstdrejer svend Carl Ludvig Hagen
mother his wife Marie Helene Carlsen


1887
Krak vejviser
Gottlieb R M handskmager (glovemaker with own business)
Turensensgade 22 Copenhagen, Denmark

10 Apr 1887 Rasmus Carl Therkelsen Gottlieb baptised Skt Johannes kirke Copenhagen

1888
Krak vejviser
Gottlieb R M handskmager (glovemaker with own business)
Vimmelskaftet 41 3 Copenhagen, Denmark

1889
Krak vejviser
Gottlieb R M handskmager (glovemaker with own business)
Pilestraæde 27 3 Copenhagen, Denmark

1 February 1890 census - folketælling
1890
Krak vejviser
Gottlieb R M handskmager (glovemaker with own business)
Pilestraæde 27 3 Copenhagen, Denmark

18 Aug 1891
smallpox vaccination of the brothers by Dr Schlieme

1891 not found
Krak vejviser
Gottlieb R M handskmager (glovemaker with own business)
Not listed


1892 not found
Krak vejviser
Gottlieb R M handskemager (glovemaker with own business)
Not listed


24 February 1892
Reinald Marius Gottlieb joined 1 class at Nansensgade School, Copenhagen
From their home at Nørrevoldgade 26 3 Copenhagen, Denmark
This means they had an apartment on the third floor before moving to number 38



03 Aug 1892
funeral of Georg Valdemar Johan Gottlieb aged about 12
bopæl Aarhus
source Register til Begravelsels protokoller 1892- 1900 mænd Rådhus København
cause of death
Vulneratioum af lungerne, ribensbrud
Kommune Hospital, Aarhus


03 February 1893
Rasmus Karl joined 1 class at Nansensgade School, Copenhagen
From home at Nørrevoldgade 38 Stue Copenhagen, Denmark
This means they had an apartment on the ground floor
as well as from 1896 at least the workshop outback

1893 not found
Krak vejviser
Gottlieb R M handskemager (glovemaker with own business)
Not listed

Brothers walked to and from Nansensgade School

1894 not found
Krak vejviser
Gottlieb R M handskemager (glovemaker with own business)
Not listed
Brothers walked to and from Nansensgade School



1895 not found
Krak vejviser
Gottlieb R M handskemager (glovemaker with own business)
Not listed

Brothers walked to and from Nansensgade School






1 February 1895 census - folketælling

1896
Krak vejviser
Gottlieb R M handskemager (glovemaker with own business)
Nørrevoldgade 38 Bps Copenhagen, Denmark

Brothers walked to and from Nansensgade School



1897
Krak vejviser
Gottlieb R M handskemager (glovemaker with own business)
Nørrevoldgade 38 Bps Copenhagen, Denmark

Brothers walking to and from Nansensgade School


1898
Krak vejviser
Gottlieb R M handskemager (glovemaker with own business)
Nørrevoldgade 38 Bps Copenhagen, Denmark

Brothers walked to and from Nansensgade School

1899
Krak vejviser
Gottlieb R M handskemager (glovemaker with own business)
Nørrevoldgade 38 Bps Copenhagen, Denmark

02 November 1899
Reinald Marius left 6E class at Nansensgade School, Copenhagen
Occupation – Kf
(the archivist suggested konfirmation – I would expect him to be a bydrenge – errand boy for his father or even have tried to be an apprentice glove maker)


1899 Confirmation ?


1900
Krak vejviser
Gottlieb R M handskemager (glovemaker with own business)
Nørrevoldgade 38 Bps Copenhagen, Denmark


1900 Reinald and his younger brother Carl, are apprenticed as machinists
Maskinelære hos Smith, Mygind & Hüttemeir 68 Nørrebrogade Copenhagen den sorte firkant
14-year-old Karl Dane first appeared on stage in the Copenhagen theater owned by his father ???

Dilettantkomedie - where and when ?
1 February 1901 census - folketælling
#where the Danish archive research began TILGANGS REGISTER FOR KØBENHAVN
volume A 1903 for boys born in 1885



1903 session værnepligtige
= medical and interview
conscript number 1505

# born Copenhagen Helligaands parish
recorded in UDSKIVENINGSKREDS LANDRULLE
with name and occupation of his father which gave the entrance to the Danish civil record system which is conducted by the parish church office

address – Dosseringen 52 I Copenhagen
Blaagard Hellig Kors Sogn (parish)

14 November 1905
new address – Blaagaardsgade 42 41 st3 Copenhagen
Blaagard Hellig Kors Sogn (parish)

1 February 1906 census - folketælling
24 August 1906 new address – Dosseringen 4 3 Copenhagen
Blaagard Hellig Kors Sogn (parish)

then you go into
UDSKIVENINGSKREDS LANDRULLE
and try and work out what the abbreviations mean

1906 he was 70 ½ Danish inches tall
His occupation elektriker maskinsvend

15 May 1907 to Ingeniører Regiment as a raw recruit
Esk 8a 2370
16 August 1907 y.230 L948
in England when trained his rank would be sapper or fieid engineer
8 October 1907 sent home

from his married brother’s records ==================

3 May 1910
new address -- Webersgade 11 3 30 Copenhagen
Elsajaskirken, Østervold pastorat Sogn (parish)

10 September 1910 Ungkarl Rasmus Karl Therkelsen Gottlieb
(occupation mekaniker of Webersgade 11 3 - his father and mother of Dosseringen 3 )
married at Skt Pauls Kirke, Skt Pauls Plads, København K Danmark by Sogne præsten
pige Carla Dagmar Hagen, (a dressmaker of Svensonsgade 55b Copenhagen)
father kunstdrejer svend Carl Ludvig Hagen
mother his wife Marie Helene Carlsen
sponsors
Kvartermand J Bendsen of Søndre Boulevard 96
Colonialhandler Axel Jacobsen Søndre Boulevard 74
Tilsyningbestillede 13 August 1910
Tillysman. 14 August 1910

17 September 1910
new address – Marstalsgade 51 Mez. Copenhagen
St Jakobs Sogn (parish)

================================

13 Oct 1910
mother Anna Cathrine Gottlieb dies aged 58 Dosseringen, Copenhagen Denmark?

1 February 1911 census - folketælling

4 March 1911 Karl and Carla's son, Ejlert Carl Gottlieb, is born Marstalsgade 51 mezzanine, Copenhagen, Denmark

1912-15:
Mejlgade 59 Aarhus (he was then a car driver, named R. M. Gottlieb). In 1912 another R. M. Gottlieb lived in Mejlgade 8, maybe this was his father.


31 July 1912 Daughter Ingeborg Helene Gottlieb is born Marstalsgade 51 mezzanine, Copenhagen, Denmark
3 November 1912 baptism St Stefans pastorat
fadderne (holding and presenting the baby)
Fru Ingeborg Hagen
Drejer Carl Hagen
Fabrikante Aage Hagen
All of Svensonsgade 4 2

4 November 1912 the remarks in the church book included the date and place of Karls's marriage above


19 November 1912
new address – Asminderødgade 7 4 Copenhagen
St Stefans Sogn (parish)

29 October 1913
new address – Esromgade 1 Stue Copenhagen
St Stefans Sogn (parish)
6 August 1914 karl was called up to the newly organised Kystartilleri which was to man the coastal defence batteries
31 May 1915 sent home

25 September 1915
new address -- Webersgade 17 2 Copenhagen
Elsajaskirken, Østervold pastorat Sogn (parish)

6 August 1914 With the outbreak of WWI, although Denmark is a neutral country, general mobilization.

Therkelsen-Gottlieb, Rasmus Carl [sic] mekaniker KØBH 215 registerd his ticket with the police Københavns Politi Rejsende Udvandrede Direket LAK-1-235

25 January 1916 Karl sails for New York on ship Oskar II.
11 February 1916 arrives and settles in Brooklyn at 345 Court Street with friend Charles Lindgren 1 February 1916 danish census – folketælling
Webersgade Copenhagen archive lost or mislaid

LANDRULLE OMSKRIVEN TILGANSLISTE B 1 2 –
Vedtegning Elektriker

1 May 1916
police station 3
new address – Fredericiagade 69 2. Copenhagen
???? Sogn (parish)
Syesker Carla Dagmar Gottlieb age 29 , Ejlert Carl Gottlieb age 5, Ingeborg Helene Gottlieb age 3

1918-21: Guldsmedegade 5, Aarhus, Denmark

circa 1920: Mejlgade 78 B, Aarhus, Denmark
(maybe this was his father, only the initials R. M. Gottlieb are used)

1 February 1921 danish census - folketælling

1922-26: Skovvej 18 A, Aarhus, Denmark

5 November 1925 danish census - folketælling

Reinald Marius Gottlieb interviewed 1927

20 January, 1927
The Big Parade" opened in Copenhagen in the World Cinema.
Den Store Parade

1927-29: Banegaardsgade 22, Aarhus, Denmark 5 November 1930 danish census - folketælling 1931-49: Vestergade 26-28, 2. Floor, Aarhus, Denmark

14 April 1934 Karl commits suicide Saturday evening 18 April 1934 Karl's funeral and burial at Hollywood Forever Cemetery

5 November 1940 danish census - folketælling

5 November 1950 danish census – folketælling

1954-61: Fredensgade 28, Aarhus, Denmark

1962-73: Trojborgvej 44, 3. floor, Aarhus, Denmark

Drengeskolen Nansensgade

inset leather plate beautifully made in about 1869

at the archives

Copenhagen school records in the archives København Rådhus

75 year closure means access is restricted and the last line must not be photographed because that boy left in 1932 - so that is closed until 2007

close up of the headers - interestingly not fraktur typeface


Rasmus Carl Therkelsen Gottlieb attended Nansensgade Skole from 3 February 1893 to 2 November 1900

Reinald Marius Gottlieb attended 24 February 1892 to 3 june 1899 - note the home address and the father's occupation but not his name are recorded

Københavns Kommunes Børnehus er en ombygget folkeskole fra 1870, Nansensgade Skole. Institutionen er opbygget som 3 adskilte afdelinger: ...

Nansensgade skole - Google Search

NansensgadeDenne gade blev bygget i 1870’erne og 1880’erne.
Nansensgade var et udpræget ... 46 ligger den tidligere Nansensgade Skole (1878)

Copenhagen school records in the archives

Copenhagen City Hall is where the school archives are kept

note the wimpel or pennant used to dress the flag pole.


I searched the school nearest to their home Nørrevoldgade
(North-Wall-street) number 38 where Gottlieb, RM handskemager is listed from 1896 to 1900


each pupil was allocated a number and written up on that page when they go in or out of the school











there was also a register or index but not any sign of the Gottlieb brothers

time line

14 April 1860 Rasmus Carl Marius Gottlieb father born in Horsens Denmark

14 August 1858 Anne Kathrine Simonsen , his mother born in Aarhus, Hasle, Aarhus, Denmark
1 February 1870 census - folketælling circa 1874 confirmation ??
Rasmus Marius Gottlieb, 14 , , handskemager lærling
1 February 1880 census - folketælling
circa 1881
Rasmus Marius Gottlieb, 21 , handskemager svend
c 1881 Karl’s brother Georg Valdemar Johan Gottlieb born possibly in Aarhus 12 Apr 1884 parents married in Aarhus ? where
1884 and earlier
Krak vejviser
Gottlieb R M handskemager (glovemaker with own business)
Not listed

1 February 1885 census – folketælling Kjøbenhavn
Samtlige personer i husstanden
Kbhv, København (Staden), Badstuestræde, Kjøbenhavn, , Badstuestræde 8, forhus 2den sal, 5, FT-1885 Der vises flg. felter: Navn, Alder, Civilstand, Stilling i husstanden, Erhverv , Fødested Rasmus Marius Gottlieb, 25 , Gift, , handskemagersvend, Horsens
Anna Cathrine Gottlieb, 26 , Gift, , , Aarhus
folketælling 1885, bind 13, København
1885
Krak vejviser0
Gottlieb R M handskemager (glovemaker with own business)
Badstuestræde 8 Copenhagen, Denmark

06 Mar 1885 Reinald Marius Gottlieb born at Badstuestræde 8, forhus 2den sal, 5, Copenhagen, Denmark 26 Apr 1885 Baptized at Helligaandskirken

1886
Krak vejviser
Gottlieb R M handskemager (glovemaker with own business)
Turensensgade 22 Copenhagen, Denmark

12 October 1886 Karl Dane born Rasmus Carl Therkelsen Gottlieb Turesensgade 23, Copenhagen, Denmark . His father was Rasmus Carl Marius Gottlieb, a glovemaker, born in Horsens, and his mother was Anne Cathrine Simonsen, from Aarhus

1 November 1886
Carla Dagmar Hagen born in Copenhagen
father kunstdrejer svend (journeyman ornamental turner – ornamental lathe operator) Carl Ludvig Hagen
mother his wife Marie Helene Carlsen

1887
Krak vejviser
Gottlieb R M handskemager (glovemaker with own business)
Turensensgade 22 Copenhagen, Denmark
10 Apr 1887
Rasmus Carl Therkelsen Gottlieb baptised Skt Johannes kirke Copenhagen
His father Rasmus Carl Marius Gottlieb, a glovemaker, born in Horsens, mother was Anne Cathrine Simonsen, from Aarhus
fadderne:-
Fru Jørgensen Madsen
Snedker Niels Balle Jørgensen

1888
Krak vejviser
Gottlieb R M handskemager (glovemaker with own business)
Vimmelskaftet 41 3 Copenhagen, Denmark

1889
Krak vejviser
Gottlieb R M handskemager (glovemaker with own business)
Pilestraæde 27 3 Copenhagen, Denmark

1 February 1890 census - folketælling
1890
Krak vejviser
Gottlieb R M handskemager (glovemaker with own business)
Pilestraæde 27 3 Copenhagen, Denmark
1891 not found
Krak vejviser
Gottlieb R M handskemager (glovemaker with own business)
Not listed

18 Aug 1891
smallpox vaccination of the brothers by Dr Schlieme

03 February 1893
Reinald Marius joined 1 class at Nansensgade School, Copenhagen
From their home at Nørrevoldgade 26 3 Copenhagen, Denmark
This means they had an apartment on the third floor before moving to number 38


03 Aug 1892
funeral of Georg Valdemar Johan Gottlieb
bopæl Aarhus source Register til Begravelsels protokoller 1892- 1900 mænd Rådhus København
cause of death
Vulneratioum af lungerne, ribensbrud
Kommune Hospital, Aarhus

1892 not found
Krak vejviser
Gottlieb R M handskemager (glovemaker with own business)
Not listed

03 February 1893
Rasmus Karl joined 1 class at Nansensgade School, Copenhagen
From home at Nørrevoldgade 38 Stue Copenhagen, Denmark
This means they had an apartment on the ground floor
as well as from 1896 at least the workshop outback


1893 not found
Krak vejviser
Gottlieb R M handskemager (glovemaker with own business)
Not listed

Brothers walked to and from Nansensgade School




1894 not found
Krak vejviser
Gottlieb R M handskemager (glovemaker with own business)
Not listed
Brothers walked to and from Nansensgade School



1895 not found
Krak vejviser
Gottlieb R M handskemager (glovemaker with own business)
Not listed

Brothers walked to and from Nansensgade School



1 February 1895 census - folketælling

1896
Krak vejviser
Gottlieb R M handskemager (glovemaker with own business)
Nørrevoldgade 38 Bps Copenhagen, Denmark

Brothers walked to and from Nansensgade School



1897
Krak vejviser
Gottlieb R M handskemager (glovemaker with own business)
Nørrevoldgade 38 Bps Copenhagen, Denmark

Brothers walking to and from Nansensgade School


1898
Krak vejviser
Gottlieb R M handskemager (glovemaker with own business)
Nørrevoldgade 38 Bps Copenhagen, Denmark

Brothers walked to and from Nansensgade School

1899
Krak vejviser
Gottlieb R M handskemager (glovemaker with own business)
Nørrevoldgade 38 Bps Copenhagen, Denmark

02 November 1899
Reinald Marius left 6E class at Nansensgade School, Copenhagen
Occupation – Kf (the archivist suggested konfirmation – I would expect him to be a bydrenge – errand boy for his father or even have tried to be an apprentice glove maker)


1900
Krak vejviser
Gottlieb R M handskemager (glovemaker with own business)
Nørrevoldgade 38 Bps Copenhagen, Denmark


1999 or 1900 Confirmation ?

02 November 1900
Rasmus Karl left 6E class at Nansensgade School, Copenhagen
Occupation – Hammer (hammer man and apprentice smith at Hüttemeir)


1900 Carl and his elder brother Reinald, are apprenticed as machinists
Maskinelære hos Smith, Mygind & Hüttemeir 68 Nørrebrogade Copenhagen den sorte firkant Their grand father was a metal workte
14-year-old Karl Dane first appeared on stage in the Copenhagen theater owned by his father ???

Dilettantkomedie - where and when ?
1901 onwards not found
Krak vejviser
Gottlieb R M handskemager (glovemaker with own business)
Not listed

1 February 1901 census - folketælling
#where the Danish archive research began TILGANGS REGISTER FOR KØBENHAVN
volume B 1904 for boys born in 1886



1904 session værnepligtige
= medical and interview
conscript number 1814

# born Copenhagen St Johns parish
recorded in UDSKIVENINGSKREDS LANDRULLE
with name and occupation of his father which gave the entrance to the Danish civil record system which is conducted by the parish church office

address – Dosseringen 52 I Copenhagen
Blaagard Hellig Kors Sogn (parish)

14 November 1905
new address – Blaagaardsgade 42 41 st3 Copenhagen
Blaagard Hellig Kors Sogn (parish)

1 February 1906 census - folketælling
23 August 1906 new address – Dosseringen 4 3 Copenhagen
Blaagard Hellig Kors Sogn (parish)

then you go into
UDSKIVENINGSKREDS LANDRULLE
and try and work out what the abbreviations mean

1907 he was 71 ¾ Danish inches tall
His occupation smed = blacksmith was crossed out and electrician written in - elektriker

4 June 1907 to 1. Artilleri battalion as a raw recruit
in England when trained his rank would be gunner or driver
5 June 1908 appointed Under Korporal / Lance Corporal 3 July 1908 sent home

13 September 1909 called up again
4 October 1909 sent home

1907-1908 Carl completes compulsory military service in First Artillery Battalion Kystartilleret på Trekroner 1908 Underkorporal

3 May 1910
new address -- Webersgade 11 3 30 Copenhagen
Elsajaskirken, Østervold pastorat Sogn (parish)

10 September 1910 Ungkarl Rasmus Karl Therkelsen Gottlieb
(occupation mekaniker of Webersgade 11 3 - his father and mother of Dosseringen 3 )
married at Skt Pauls Kirke, Skt Pauls Plads, København K Danmark by Sogne præsten
pige Carla Dagmar Hagen, (a dressmaker of Svensonsgade 55b Copenhagen)
father kunstdrejer svend Carl Ludvig Hagen
mother his wife Marie Helene Carlsen
sponsors
Kvartermand J Bendsen of Søndre Boulevard 96
Colonialhandler Axel Jacobsen Søndre Boulevard 74
Tilsyningbestillede 13 August 1910
Tillysman. 14 August 1910

17 September 1910
new address – Marstalsgade 51 Mez. Copenhagen
St Jakobs Sogn (parish)

13 Oct 1910
mother Anna Cathrine Gottlieb dies aged 58 Dosseringen, Copenhagen Denmark?

1 February 1911 census - folketælling

4 March 1911 Karl and Carla's son, Ejlert Carl Gottlieb, is born Marstalsgade 51 mezzanine, Copenhagen, Denmark

31 July 1912 Daughter Ingeborg Helene Gottlieb is born Marstalsgade 51 mezzanine, Copenhagen, Denmark

3 November 1912 baptism St Stefans pastorat
fadderne (holding and presenting the baby)
Fru Ingeborg Hagen
Drejer Carl Hagen
Fabrikante Aage Hagen
All of Svensonsgade 4 2

4 November 1912 the remarks in the church book included the date and place of the marriage above


19 November 1912
new address – Asminderødgade 7 4 Copenhagen
St Stefans Sogn (parish)

29 October 1913
new address – Esromgade 1 Stue Copenhagen
St Stefans Sogn (parish)
6 August 1914 called up to the newly organised Kystartilleri which was to man the coastal defence batteries
31 May 1915 sent home

25 September 1915
new address -- Webersgade 17 2 Copenhagen
Elsajaskirken, Østervold pastorat Sogn (parish)

1 November 1915 called to active service again

15 November 1915 appointed Korporal not found in Kystartilleri battalion stambog catalogued as Kystartilleri regiment 0230 – 084 109 -111 Rigsarkivet

6 August 1914 With the outbreak of WWI, although Denmark is a neutral country, Karl is back in his old unit, now called the Coastal Artillery, to defend Danish shores 1 November 1915 Karl promoted to Corporal December 1915 Karl discharged from military

Therkelsen-Gottlieb, Rasmus Carl [sic] mekaniker KØBH 215 registerd his ticket with the police Københavns Politi Rejsende Udvandrede Direket LAK-1-235

25 January 1916 Karl sails for New York on ship Oskar II.
11 February 1916 arrives and settles in Brooklyn at 345 Court Street with friend Charles Lindgren 1 February 1916 danish census – folketælling
Webersgade Copenhagen archive lost or mislaid

LANDRULLE OMSKRIVEN TILGANSLISTE B 1 2 –
Vedtegning Elektriker
15 November 1911 Utspe Korporal
23 October 1916 Ej Fund, failed to meet for duty
3 November 1916 til PE reported to police as AWOL or deserter ???
1933 Ej omtrf Mdbf hent
1934 UDSLETTED - removed from the lists of conscript soldiers
[possibly he would have been imprisoned if he had returned to Denmark??]



1 May 1916
police station 3
new address – Fredericiagade 69 2. Copenhagen
???? Sogn (parish)
Syesker Carla Dagmar Gottlierb age 29 , Ejlert Carl Gottlieb age 5, Ingeborg Helene Gottlieb age 3



June 1917 Karl is now living at 430 Clermont Avenue in Brooklyn and working as a machinist at the Robert Gair Company on Washington Street

1917 Appears in first film at Vitagraph Studios in Fort Lee, NJ but is cut out of the final film Appears in "My Four Years in Germany" with Warner Brothers as Chancellor von Bethmann-Hollweg March 1918 Release of "My Four Years in Germany"

1918 Appears in Pathe's "The Wolves of Kultur" with Charles Hutchison Appears in "To Hell with the Kaiser"
# Wolves of Kultur (1918)
# To Hell with the Kaiser! (1918) .... Von Hollweg
# Her Final Reckoning (1918) .... Prince Tcheretoff
# The Triumph of Venus (1918) .... Mars
# My Four Years in Germany (1918) .... Chancellor von Bethmana-Hollweg
1919
# Daring Hearts (1919) .... Lieutenant Von Bergheim
# The Great Victory, Wilson or the Kaiser? The Fall of the Hohenzollerns (1919) .... Von Bethmann Hollweg
... aka The Fall of the Hohenzollerns
... aka Why Germany Must Pay
... aka Wilson or the Kaiser


1 February 1921 danish census - folketælling

1921 Karl meets Swedish immigrant Helen Benson, quits films, and together they move to California and open a chicken farm in Van Nuys, Los Angeles, California USA
in the heart of the San Fernando Valley

Hønseri og Aplesinfarm
Orange groves

Google
Van Nuys farming Runnymede chicken farms
Runnymede Chicken Ranch

Van Nuys "orange groves"
pastoral landscape of orange groves and olive trees
Mr. Hughan had been farming the land- largely orange groves and castor beans- ... At the end of 1933 Kinner moved his operations to the Van Nuys Airport
http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Reseda,_Los_Angeles,_California
http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Van_Nuys%2C_Los_Angeles%2C_California

15 June 1921 Karl marries Helen Benson, Swedish immigrant, in Hollywood 9 August 1923 Helen dies in childbirth in Van Nuys August-December 1923 Karl meets Charles Hutchison on the street and Hutchison persuades him to re-enter films and appear in a serial he is producing Stunt man 8 March 1924 Karl married Emma A Sawyer, a supervisor for the phone company 30 September 1924 Emma and Karl separate Nov-Dec 1924 King Visor is casting for the film "The Big Parade." Robert McIntyre, Casting Director at MGM, who in 1917 gave Karl his first job at Vitagraph, suggests Karl for the part of Slim 1925 "The Big Parade" opens where when ??? “Den store Parade” Ingeborg sees her lost father on screen 12 years since his brother saw him and he is intervened in Aahus by Politiken newspaper

# His Secretary (1925) .... Janitor
# Lights of Old Broadway (1925) .... Roosevelt's Father
... aka Little Old New York (UK)
# The Big Parade (1925) .... Slim
# The Everlasting Whisper (1925) .... Jarrold
5 November 1925 danish census - folketælling May 1926 Emma brings suit against Karl for support 5 June 1926 Karl signs MGM contract
# War Paint (1926) .... Petersen
# Bardelys the Magnificent (1926) .... Rodenard
# The Scarlet Letter (1926) .... Master Giles
# The Son of the Sheik (1926) .... Ramadan
# Monte Carlo (1926/I) .... The Doorman
# Boheme, La (1926) .... Benoit

1926 Karl appears in the film "Bardelys the Magnificent." George K Arthur is in the cast, and Harry Rapf pairs the two up in the comedy duo, Dane & Arthur May 1927 First Dane & Arthur MGM feature, "Rookies" opens. It is a smash hit. 11 June 1927 Karl signs long-term MGM contract
# The Enemy (1927) .... Jan
# Rookies (1927) .... Sgt. Diggs
# Slide, Kelly, Slide (1927) .... Swede Hansen
# The Red Mill (1927) .... Capt. Jacob Edam

20 January, 1927
The Big Parade" opened in Copenhagen in the World Cinema.
Den Store Parade


1928

# Alias Jimmy Valentine (1928) .... Swede
# Brotherly Love (1928) .... Oscar
# Detectives (1928) .... House Detective
# Circus Rookies (1928) .... Oscar Thrust
# The Trail of '98 (1928) .... Lars Petersen
# Baby Mine (1928) .... Oswald Hardy
June 1928 Karl falls for Russian dancer/actress, Thais Valdemar, and they move in to Karl's Beverly Hills home. They say they are married but are not 11 November 1928 Thais moves out of Beverly Hills home 10 December 1928 Thais files Breach of Promise suit against Karl for $75,000 1929 "China Bound" the last Dane & Arthur MGM comedy, opens

# Navy Blues (1929) .... Sven Swanson
# The Mysterious Island (1929) (uncredited)
# Speedway (1929) .... Dugan
# China Bound (1929) .... Sharkey Nye
# The Duke Steps Out (1929) .... Barney, Duke's Chauffeur
# All at Sea (1929) .... Stupid McDuff
# The Voice of the Storm (1929) .... Spike

1930

# New Moon (1930) (uncredited) .... Kirghiz soldier at Fort Darvaz
# Knights Before Christmas (1930)
# A Lady's Morals (1930) (uncredited) .... Swede in Audience
... aka Jenny Lind (UK)
... aka Soul Kiss (UK)
# Dizzy Dates (1930)
# Billy the Kid (1930) .... Swenson
... aka The Highwayman Rides (USA: TV title)
# Broken Wedding Bells (1930)
# Men Without Skirts (1930)
# The Big House (1930) .... Olsen
# Montana Moon (1930) .... Hank
Mid-1930 MGM drops Karl's option 5 November 1930 danish census - folketælling December 1930 to Mid-1931 Paramount sends Dane & Arthur on a 23-week Publix Theatre vaudeville tour
# Lime Juice Nights (1931)
# Dumbbells in Derbies (1931)

1932
Fast Life (1932) (uncredited) .... Olaf

December 1932 Karl is in his last film, the Mascot series "The Whispering Shadow" ... Sparks (dispatcher)

July-September 1933 Karl spends 3 months driving up and down the west coast hoping to find a good mining deal. He loses a large sum of money to an unscrupulous partner September 1933-April 1934 Karl tries to find work as an extra or a studio carpenter, and then opens a hot dog stand but this venture also fails 14 April 1934 Karl commits suicide Saturday evening 18 April 1934 Karl's funeral and burial at Hollywood Forever Cemetery 5 November 1940 danish census - folketælling 5 November 1950 danish census – folketælling

LINKS
Karl Dane - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Karl Dane. Retrieved May 5, 2005. Smith, Ronald. “Who's Who in Comedy.” Arthur and Dane. pp. 28-29. New York: Facts on File, 1992. ISBN 0816023387. ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Dane

References

* DeBartolo, John (2001). “My Four Years In Germany.”. Retrieved May 6, 2005.
* Forever Studios. “Hollywood Forever Network Lifestory: Karl Dane.” Retrieved May 5, 2005.
* Lussier, Tim (1998). “Son of the Sheik feature.” Retrieved May 6, 2005.
* Moviediva (2003). “The Scarlet Letter.” Retrieved May 6, 2005.
* Pearson, David et al. (2005) “Stars of the Photoplay (1930)”. Karl Dane. Retrieved May 5, 2005.
* Smith, Ronald. “Who's Who in Comedy.” Arthur and Dane. pp. 28-29. New York: Facts on File, 1992. ISBN 0816023387.
* Silents Are Golden. “Vintage Reviews.” Baby Mine, Rookies, Scarlet Letter, Trail of ’98. Retrieved May 6, 2005.


External links

* Silent Ladies & Gents Photo gallery.
* All Movie Guide Entry for "Karl Dane."
* Karl Dane at the Internet Movie Database
* Karl-Dane.com Karl Dane appreciation site


RootsWeb's WorldConnect Project: Rasmus Karl Therkelsen Gottlieb ...
researching this movie star in Copenhagen, Denmark and USA, and Laura Balogh is writing a biography of the Danish actor Karl Dane. ...
http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=karl-dane


Worked With http://www.allmovie.com/

Production Team:

* Al Boasberg (Screenwriter)
* Frances Marion (Screenwriter)
* Joseph Farnham (Intertitle Writer)
* John Arnold (Cinematographer)
* Dr. William Axt (Composer)
* David Mendoza (Composer)
* Hugh Wynn (Editor)
* Edward Sedgwick (Director)
* King Vidor (Director)
* Cecil B. DeMille (Producer)
* David Cox (Costume Designer)
* Cedric Gibbons (Art Director)
* Richard Day (Art Director)

Actors:

* William Haines
* George K. Arthur
* Buster Keaton
* Lionel Barrymore
* John Gilbert
* Gwen Lee
* Polly Moran
* Dorothy Sebastian
* Anita Page
* Tenen Holtz



Actor – filmography from http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0199322/
(1930s) (1920s) (1910s) metimes Credited As:
Dane and Arthur / Carl Dane

1. The Whispering Shadow (1933) .... Sparks (dispatcher)
2. Fast Life (1932) (uncredited) .... Olaf
3. Lime Juice Nights (1931)
4. Dumbbells in Derbies (1931)
5. New Moon (1930) (uncredited) .... Kirghiz soldier at Fort Darvaz
6. Knights Before Christmas (1930)
7. A Lady's Morals (1930) (uncredited) .... Swede in Audience
... aka Jenny Lind (UK)
... aka Soul Kiss (UK)
8. Dizzy Dates (1930)
9. Billy the Kid (1930) .... Swenson
... aka The Highwayman Rides (USA: TV title)
10. Broken Wedding Bells (1930)
11. Men Without Skirts (1930)
12. The Big House (1930) .... Olsen
13. Montana Moon (1930) .... Hank

14. Navy Blues (1929) .... Sven Swanson
15. The Mysterious Island (1929) (uncredited)
16. Speedway (1929) .... Dugan
17. China Bound (1929) .... Sharkey Nye
18. The Duke Steps Out (1929) .... Barney, Duke's Chauffeur
19. All at Sea (1929) .... Stupid McDuff
20. The Voice of the Storm (1929) .... Spike
21. Alias Jimmy Valentine (1928) .... Swede
22. Brotherly Love (1928) .... Oscar
23. Detectives (1928) .... House Detective
24. Circus Rookies (1928) .... Oscar Thrust
25. The Trail of '98 (1928) .... Lars Petersen
26. Baby Mine (1928) .... Oswald Hardy
27. The Enemy (1927) .... Jan
28. Rookies (1927) .... Sgt. Diggs
29. Slide, Kelly, Slide (1927) .... Swede Hansen
30. The Red Mill (1927) .... Capt. Jacob Edam
31. War Paint (1926) .... Petersen
32. Bardelys the Magnificent (1926) .... Rodenard
33. The Scarlet Letter (1926) .... Master Giles
34. The Son of the Sheik (1926) .... Ramadan
35. Monte Carlo (1926/I) .... The Doorman
36. Boheme, La (1926) .... Benoit
37. His Secretary (1925) .... Janitor
38. Lights of Old Broadway (1925) .... Roosevelt's Father
... aka Little Old New York (UK)
39. The Big Parade (1925) .... Slim
40. The Everlasting Whisper (1925) .... Jarrold

41. Daring Hearts (1919) .... Lieutenant Von Bergheim
42. The Great Victory, Wilson or the Kaiser? The Fall of the Hohenzollerns (1919) .... Von Bethmann Hollweg
... aka The Fall of the Hohenzollerns
... aka Why Germany Must Pay
... aka Wilson or the Kaiser
43. Wolves of Kultur (1918)
44. To Hell with the Kaiser! (1918) .... Von Hollweg
45. Her Final Reckoning (1918) .... Prince Tcheretoff
46. The Triumph of Venus (1918) .... Mars
47. My Four Years in Germany (1918) .... Chancellor von Bethmana-Hollweg

Filmography as: Actor, Self, Archive Footage

Self - filmography
(1930s) (1920s)

1. Crazy House (1930) .... Himself
2. Screen Snapshots Series 9, No. 23 (1930) .... Himself, Comedy Skit
3. Screen Snapshots Series 9, No. 20 (1930) .... Himself
4. Free and Easy (1930) .... Himself, Karl Dane, Actor, Cave Scene
... aka Easy Go (USA: TV title)
5. The March of Time (1930) .... Himself

6. The Hollywood Revue of 1929 (1929) (as Dane and Arthur) .... Himself
... aka The Hollywood Revue
7. Show People (1928) (uncredited) .... Himself (Cameo appearance)

http://www.silentsaregolden.com/photos2/karldanephoto.html
Karl Dane

Selected films of this star available for viewing:

My Four Years in Germany (1918)

The Big Parade (1925)

La Boheme (1926)

Son of the Sheik (1926)

The Scarlet Letter (1926)

The Trail of '98 (1928)

Karl Dane
A blog to record some of the progress I am making on my upcoming biography of Karl Dane. If you have information that you believe might be helpful, ...
http://karldane.blogspot.com/

http://images.google.com/images?q=karl+dane&hl=en&btnG=Search+Images

census faq first draft

DENMARK census FAQ

data recorded :- Adresse; Navn; Køn; Alder; Ægteskabelig stilling (ikke 1916); Hustands stilling (ikke 1921); Erherv / fattighjælp

address; name; sex; age; maritial status (not 1916); relationship to the head of household (not 1921); ocupation or income support

The danish census folketælling was taken on the following dates:--

15 August 1769 but very little survives

1771 Oeders efterretninger see below

1 July 1787

1 February 1801

18 February 1834

1 February 1840

1 February 1845 Fødested - birthplace; Handicap - disability

1 February 1850 Fødested - birthplace; Handicap - disability

1 February 1855 Fødested - birthplace; Handicap - disability; Trossamfund - religion

1 February 1860 Fødested - birthplace; Handicap - disability; Trossamfund - religion

1 February 1870 Fødested - birthplace; Handicap - disability; Trossamfund - religion

1 February 1880 Fødested - birthplace; Handicap - disability; Trossamfund - religion; Boligtælling - number of rooms

1 February 1885 only of Copenhagen and Frederiksberg; Fødested - birthplace; Handicap - disability; Trossamfund - religion

1 February 1890 Fødested - birthplace; Handicap - disability; Trossamfund - religion

1 February 1895 only of Copenhagen and Frederiksberg; Fødested - birthplace; Handicap - disability; Trossamfund - religion ; Boligtælling - number of rooms

1 February 1901 Matr. no - real estate registration number; Fødested - birthplace; Handicap - disability; Trossamfund - religion; Sidste opholdsted - last address

1 February 1906 Matr. no - real estate registration number; Fødested - birthplace (only for Copenhagen and Frederiksberg); Fødested - birthplace and Sidste opholdsted - last address (only for Copenhagen and Frederiksberg);

1 February 1911 Matr. no - real estate registration number; Fødested - birthplace; Handicap - disability; Trossamfund - religion; Sidste opholdsted - last address

1 February 1916 Fødested - birthplace (only Copenhagen and Frederiksberg); Handicap - disability; Trossamfund - religion; indkomst / formue - income / capital

1 February 1921 Matr. no - real estate registration number; Fødested - birthplace; Handicap - disability; Trossamfund - religion; Sidste opholdsted - last address

5 November 1925 Fødested - birthplace; Handicap - disability; Sidste opholdsted - last address; Statsborgerskab - nationality

5 November 1930 Fødested - birthplace; Handicap - disability; Foreløbigt opholdsted - Temporary address; Sidste opholdsted - last address; Statsborgerskab - nationality

1935 destroyed

5 November 1940 only with written permission Fødested - birthplace; Handicap - disability; Foreløbigt opholdsted - Temporary address; Statsborgerskab - nationality

1945 destroyed

5 November 1950 only with written permission Matr. no - real estate registration number; Fødested - birthplace; Handicap - disability; Trossamfund - religion; Statsborgerskab - nationality

1955 destroyed

1960 closed

1965 closed

1968 Folketællingerne blev afskaffet i forbindelse med indførelsen af Det Centrale Personregister (CPR) Census were replaced by statistics from the Central Person-Register (CPR).

Other kinds of census Andre slags tællinger

Oeders efterretninger fra 1771 dækker København, Sjælland, Møn og Bornholm. Her kan man finde de talte mænds navn, stand, erhverv og ægtestand - og deres kones alder.

På landsarkiverne kan man også være heldig at finde forskellige mandtaller i købstædernes rådstuearkiver og måske også eksemplarer af den allerførste folketælling, der blev lavet i 1769. I Rigsarkivet findes bl.a. kopskattemandtaller 1660 - 1812, som tit kan give gode oplysninger.

LINKS

more details of local coverage and access in danish archives http://www.sa.dk/Ra/brugearkivet/folke.htm

search multiple databases with one entry using the Surname Navigator http://www.kuijsten.de/navigator/

birth and baptism

in the church book 1886 - 1889 male births Skt Johannes, Sokkelund, København
which was then spelled Kjøbenhavn





Rasmus Karl Therkelsen Gottlieb

Birth: 12 OCT 1886 in Turesensgade 23, 2nd floor, Copenhagen, Denmark Baptism: 1o APR 1886 in the church

(Mrs) Fru Petrasine Frandsen and his parents were the sponsors (Fadderne)

apprenticed at the Hüttemeier factory

DSB F 476 locomotive 30.5 tons made in 1901 from A/S Smith, Mygind & Hüttemeier, København, Danmark a page on the www.jernbanen.dk site

also made ships engines eg in 1920 for
VIGO: 710 grt blt 1920 Kalundborgs Skibsvaerft
T 3 cyl 12 1/2", 21" & 34"-19 3/4" by A/S Smith, Mygind & Hüttemeier, Copenhagen 51 NHP

a boiler maker from Norway

Aktieselskabet Smith, Mygind & Hüttemeier, København

book published in

1947

and now a cinema Empire Bio's historie

Christian Christensen:

Bondeknold og rabarberdreng

memoires of an apprentice boilermaker

Men den nye læreplads hos firmaet »Smith, Mygind og Hüttemeier«, var mig en dyb skuffelse. Fra lærlinge og arbejdere indenfor dette firma vidste jeg, at det var groft smedearbejde man der beskæftigede sig med, og det tålte slet ikke sammenligning med arbejdet ved den fine drejebænk jeg var jaget bort fra. jeg nægtede derfor simpelthen at modtage pladsen.

Dette blev far meget fortørnet over, for efter hans opfattelse var den ene læreplads lige så god som den anden. Men jeg ville ikke i lære hos dette firma, og selv en omgang spark hjalp ikke. Jeg ville ikke ind i det møgfirma. Så ville jeg hellere være almindelig arbejdsdreng.

Og således blev det.

Reinald Marius Gottlieb interviewed 1927

20 January, 1927
The Big Parade" opened in Copenhagen in the World Cinema.
Den Store Parade



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In this cutting Karl Dane's younger brother recalls Smith, Mygind and Hüttemeier, with offices 68 Nørrebrogade, Kjøbenhavn, was where Rasmus Karl Therkelsen Gottlieb b: 12 OCT 1886 in Copenhagen and his brother, Reinald Marius Gottlieb b: 6 MAR 1885 in Badstuestræde 8, forhus 2den sal, 5, Copenhagen, Denmark were apprentices.

Their father, Rasmus Carl Marius Gottlieb b: 14 APR 1860 in Horsens, Denmark, had a glove makers business in the little house at the back of Nørrevoldgade 38 B listed in Krak's Vejviser for 1897

he remembers that his brother served in the Kystartilleriet on Trekroner Søfort

see also Københavns befæstning - Wikipedia

and Kystartilleriforeningen
and www.kystbasse.dk/