time line
14 April 1860 Rasmus Carl Marius Gottlieb father born in Horsens Denmark
14 August 1858 Anne Kathrine Simonsen , his mother born in Aarhus, Hasle, Aarhus, Denmark
1 February 1870 census - folketælling circa 1874 confirmation ??
Rasmus Marius Gottlieb, 14 , , handskemager lærling
1 February 1880 census - folketælling
circa 1881
Rasmus Marius Gottlieb, 21 , handskemager svend
c 1881 Karl’s brother Georg Valdemar Johan Gottlieb born possibly in Aarhus 12 Apr 1884 parents married in Aarhus ? where
1884 and earlier
Krak vejviser
Gottlieb R M handskemager (glovemaker with own business)
Not listed
1 February 1885 census – folketælling Kjøbenhavn
Samtlige personer i husstanden
Kbhv, København (Staden), Badstuestræde, Kjøbenhavn, , Badstuestræde 8, forhus 2den sal, 5, FT-1885 Der vises flg. felter: Navn, Alder, Civilstand, Stilling i husstanden, Erhverv , Fødested Rasmus Marius Gottlieb, 25 , Gift, , handskemagersvend, Horsens
Anna Cathrine Gottlieb, 26 , Gift, , , Aarhus
folketælling 1885, bind 13, København
1885
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Gottlieb R M handskemager (glovemaker with own business)
Badstuestræde 8 Copenhagen, Denmark
06 Mar 1885 Reinald Marius Gottlieb born at Badstuestræde 8, forhus 2den sal, 5, Copenhagen, Denmark 26 Apr 1885 Baptized at Helligaandskirken
1886
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Gottlieb R M handskemager (glovemaker with own business)
Turensensgade 22 Copenhagen, Denmark
12 October 1886 Karl Dane born Rasmus Carl Therkelsen Gottlieb Turesensgade 23, Copenhagen, Denmark . His father was Rasmus Carl Marius Gottlieb, a glovemaker, born in Horsens, and his mother was Anne Cathrine Simonsen, from Aarhus
1 November 1886
Carla Dagmar Hagen born in Copenhagen
father kunstdrejer svend (journeyman ornamental turner – ornamental lathe operator) Carl Ludvig Hagen
mother his wife Marie Helene Carlsen
1887
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Gottlieb R M handskemager (glovemaker with own business)
Turensensgade 22 Copenhagen, Denmark
10 Apr 1887
Rasmus Carl Therkelsen Gottlieb baptised Skt Johannes kirke Copenhagen
His father Rasmus Carl Marius Gottlieb, a glovemaker, born in Horsens, mother was Anne Cathrine Simonsen, from Aarhus
fadderne:-
Fru Jørgensen Madsen
Snedker Niels Balle Jørgensen
1888
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Gottlieb R M handskemager (glovemaker with own business)
Vimmelskaftet 41 3 Copenhagen, Denmark
1889
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Gottlieb R M handskemager (glovemaker with own business)
Pilestraæde 27 3 Copenhagen, Denmark
1 February 1890 census - folketælling
1890
Krak vejviser
Gottlieb R M handskemager (glovemaker with own business)
Pilestraæde 27 3 Copenhagen, Denmark
1891 not found
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Gottlieb R M handskemager (glovemaker with own business)
Not listed
18 Aug 1891
smallpox vaccination of the brothers by Dr Schlieme
03 February 1893
Reinald Marius joined 1 class at Nansensgade School, Copenhagen
From their home at Nørrevoldgade 26 3 Copenhagen, Denmark
This means they had an apartment on the third floor before moving to number 38
03 Aug 1892
funeral of Georg Valdemar Johan Gottlieb
bopæl Aarhus source Register til Begravelsels protokoller 1892- 1900 mænd Rådhus København
cause of death
Vulneratioum af lungerne, ribensbrud
Kommune Hospital, Aarhus
1892 not found
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Gottlieb R M handskemager (glovemaker with own business)
Not listed
03 February 1893
Rasmus Karl joined 1 class at Nansensgade School, Copenhagen
From home at Nørrevoldgade 38 Stue Copenhagen, Denmark
This means they had an apartment on the ground floor
as well as from 1896 at least the workshop outback
1893 not found
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Gottlieb R M handskemager (glovemaker with own business)
Not listed
Brothers walked to and from Nansensgade School
1894 not found
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Gottlieb R M handskemager (glovemaker with own business)
Not listed
Brothers walked to and from Nansensgade School
1895 not found
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Gottlieb R M handskemager (glovemaker with own business)
Not listed
Brothers walked to and from Nansensgade School
1 February 1895 census - folketælling
1896
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Gottlieb R M handskemager (glovemaker with own business)
Nørrevoldgade 38 Bps Copenhagen, Denmark
Brothers walked to and from Nansensgade School
1897
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Gottlieb R M handskemager (glovemaker with own business)
Nørrevoldgade 38 Bps Copenhagen, Denmark
Brothers walking to and from Nansensgade School
1898
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Gottlieb R M handskemager (glovemaker with own business)
Nørrevoldgade 38 Bps Copenhagen, Denmark
Brothers walked to and from Nansensgade School
1899
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Gottlieb R M handskemager (glovemaker with own business)
Nørrevoldgade 38 Bps Copenhagen, Denmark
02 November 1899
Reinald Marius left 6E class at Nansensgade School, Copenhagen
Occupation – Kf (the archivist suggested konfirmation – I would expect him to be a bydrenge – errand boy for his father or even have tried to be an apprentice glove maker)
1900
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Gottlieb R M handskemager (glovemaker with own business)
Nørrevoldgade 38 Bps Copenhagen, Denmark
1999 or 1900 Confirmation ?
02 November 1900
Rasmus Karl left 6E class at Nansensgade School, Copenhagen
Occupation – Hammer (hammer man and apprentice smith at Hüttemeir)
1900 Carl and his elder brother Reinald, are apprenticed as machinists
Maskinelære hos Smith, Mygind & Hüttemeir 68 Nørrebrogade Copenhagen den sorte firkant Their grand father was a metal workte
14-year-old Karl Dane first appeared on stage in the Copenhagen theater owned by his father ???
Dilettantkomedie - where and when ?
1901 onwards not found
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Gottlieb R M handskemager (glovemaker with own business)
Not listed
1 February 1901 census - folketælling
#where the Danish archive research began TILGANGS REGISTER FOR KØBENHAVN
volume B 1904 for boys born in 1886
1904 session værnepligtige
= medical and interview
conscript number 1814
# born Copenhagen St Johns parish
recorded in UDSKIVENINGSKREDS LANDRULLE
with name and occupation of his father which gave the entrance to the Danish civil record system which is conducted by the parish church office
address – Dosseringen 52 I Copenhagen
Blaagard Hellig Kors Sogn (parish)
14 November 1905
new address – Blaagaardsgade 42 41 st3 Copenhagen
Blaagard Hellig Kors Sogn (parish)
1 February 1906 census - folketælling
23 August 1906 new address – Dosseringen 4 3 Copenhagen
Blaagard Hellig Kors Sogn (parish)
then you go into
UDSKIVENINGSKREDS LANDRULLE
and try and work out what the abbreviations mean
1907 he was 71 ¾ Danish inches tall
His occupation smed = blacksmith was crossed out and electrician written in - elektriker
4 June 1907 to 1. Artilleri battalion as a raw recruit
in England when trained his rank would be gunner or driver
5 June 1908 appointed Under Korporal / Lance Corporal 3 July 1908 sent home
13 September 1909 called up again
4 October 1909 sent home
1907-1908 Carl completes compulsory military service in First Artillery Battalion Kystartilleret på Trekroner 1908 Underkorporal
3 May 1910
new address -- Webersgade 11 3 30 Copenhagen
Elsajaskirken, Østervold pastorat Sogn (parish)
10 September 1910 Ungkarl Rasmus Karl Therkelsen Gottlieb
(occupation mekaniker of Webersgade 11 3 - his father and mother of Dosseringen 3 )
married at Skt Pauls Kirke, Skt Pauls Plads, København K Danmark by Sogne præsten
pige Carla Dagmar Hagen, (a dressmaker of Svensonsgade 55b Copenhagen)
father kunstdrejer svend Carl Ludvig Hagen
mother his wife Marie Helene Carlsen
sponsors
Kvartermand J Bendsen of Søndre Boulevard 96
Colonialhandler Axel Jacobsen Søndre Boulevard 74
Tilsyningbestillede 13 August 1910
Tillysman. 14 August 1910
17 September 1910
new address – Marstalsgade 51 Mez. Copenhagen
St Jakobs Sogn (parish)
13 Oct 1910
mother Anna Cathrine Gottlieb dies aged 58 Dosseringen, Copenhagen Denmark?
1 February 1911 census - folketælling
4 March 1911 Karl and Carla's son, Ejlert Carl Gottlieb, is born Marstalsgade 51 mezzanine, Copenhagen, Denmark
31 July 1912 Daughter Ingeborg Helene Gottlieb is born Marstalsgade 51 mezzanine, Copenhagen, Denmark
3 November 1912 baptism St Stefans pastorat
fadderne (holding and presenting the baby)
Fru Ingeborg Hagen
Drejer Carl Hagen
Fabrikante Aage Hagen
All of Svensonsgade 4 2
4 November 1912 the remarks in the church book included the date and place of the marriage above
19 November 1912
new address – Asminderødgade 7 4 Copenhagen
St Stefans Sogn (parish)
29 October 1913
new address – Esromgade 1 Stue Copenhagen
St Stefans Sogn (parish)
6 August 1914 called up to the newly organised Kystartilleri which was to man the coastal defence batteries
31 May 1915 sent home
25 September 1915
new address -- Webersgade 17 2 Copenhagen
Elsajaskirken, Østervold pastorat Sogn (parish)
1 November 1915 called to active service again
15 November 1915 appointed Korporal not found in Kystartilleri battalion stambog catalogued as Kystartilleri regiment 0230 – 084 109 -111 Rigsarkivet
6 August 1914 With the outbreak of WWI, although Denmark is a neutral country, Karl is back in his old unit, now called the Coastal Artillery, to defend Danish shores 1 November 1915 Karl promoted to Corporal December 1915 Karl discharged from military
Therkelsen-Gottlieb, Rasmus Carl [sic] mekaniker KØBH 215 registerd his ticket with the police Københavns Politi Rejsende Udvandrede Direket LAK-1-235
25 January 1916 Karl sails for New York on ship Oskar II.
11 February 1916 arrives and settles in Brooklyn at 345 Court Street with friend Charles Lindgren 1 February 1916 danish census – folketælling
Webersgade Copenhagen archive lost or mislaid
LANDRULLE OMSKRIVEN TILGANSLISTE B 1 2 –
Vedtegning Elektriker
15 November 1911 Utspe Korporal
23 October 1916 Ej Fund, failed to meet for duty
3 November 1916 til PE reported to police as AWOL or deserter ???
1933 Ej omtrf Mdbf hent
1934 UDSLETTED - removed from the lists of conscript soldiers
[possibly he would have been imprisoned if he had returned to Denmark??]
1 May 1916
police station 3
new address – Fredericiagade 69 2. Copenhagen
???? Sogn (parish)
Syesker Carla Dagmar Gottlierb age 29 , Ejlert Carl Gottlieb age 5, Ingeborg Helene Gottlieb age 3
June 1917 Karl is now living at 430 Clermont Avenue in Brooklyn and working as a machinist at the Robert Gair Company on Washington Street
1917 Appears in first film at Vitagraph Studios in Fort Lee, NJ but is cut out of the final film Appears in "My Four Years in Germany" with Warner Brothers as Chancellor von Bethmann-Hollweg March 1918 Release of "My Four Years in Germany"
1918 Appears in Pathe's "The Wolves of Kultur" with Charles Hutchison Appears in "To Hell with the Kaiser"
# Wolves of Kultur (1918)
# To Hell with the Kaiser! (1918) .... Von Hollweg
# Her Final Reckoning (1918) .... Prince Tcheretoff
# The Triumph of Venus (1918) .... Mars
# My Four Years in Germany (1918) .... Chancellor von Bethmana-Hollweg
1919
# Daring Hearts (1919) .... Lieutenant Von Bergheim
# The Great Victory, Wilson or the Kaiser? The Fall of the Hohenzollerns (1919) .... Von Bethmann Hollweg
... aka The Fall of the Hohenzollerns
... aka Why Germany Must Pay
... aka Wilson or the Kaiser
1 February 1921 danish census - folketælling
1921 Karl meets Swedish immigrant Helen Benson, quits films, and together they move to California and open a chicken farm in Van Nuys, Los Angeles, California USA
in the heart of the San Fernando Valley
Hønseri og Aplesinfarm
Orange groves
Google
Van Nuys farming Runnymede chicken farms
Runnymede Chicken Ranch
Van Nuys "orange groves"
pastoral landscape of orange groves and olive trees
Mr. Hughan had been farming the land- largely orange groves and castor beans- ... At the end of 1933 Kinner moved his operations to the Van Nuys Airport
http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Reseda,_Los_Angeles,_California
http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Van_Nuys%2C_Los_Angeles%2C_California
15 June 1921 Karl marries Helen Benson, Swedish immigrant, in Hollywood 9 August 1923 Helen dies in childbirth in Van Nuys August-December 1923 Karl meets Charles Hutchison on the street and Hutchison persuades him to re-enter films and appear in a serial he is producing Stunt man 8 March 1924 Karl married Emma A Sawyer, a supervisor for the phone company 30 September 1924 Emma and Karl separate Nov-Dec 1924 King Visor is casting for the film "The Big Parade." Robert McIntyre, Casting Director at MGM, who in 1917 gave Karl his first job at Vitagraph, suggests Karl for the part of Slim 1925 "The Big Parade" opens where when ??? “Den store Parade” Ingeborg sees her lost father on screen 12 years since his brother saw him and he is intervened in Aahus by Politiken newspaper
# His Secretary (1925) .... Janitor
# Lights of Old Broadway (1925) .... Roosevelt's Father
... aka Little Old New York (UK)
# The Big Parade (1925) .... Slim
# The Everlasting Whisper (1925) .... Jarrold
5 November 1925 danish census - folketælling May 1926 Emma brings suit against Karl for support 5 June 1926 Karl signs MGM contract
# War Paint (1926) .... Petersen
# Bardelys the Magnificent (1926) .... Rodenard
# The Scarlet Letter (1926) .... Master Giles
# The Son of the Sheik (1926) .... Ramadan
# Monte Carlo (1926/I) .... The Doorman
# Boheme, La (1926) .... Benoit
1926 Karl appears in the film "Bardelys the Magnificent." George K Arthur is in the cast, and Harry Rapf pairs the two up in the comedy duo, Dane & Arthur May 1927 First Dane & Arthur MGM feature, "Rookies" opens. It is a smash hit. 11 June 1927 Karl signs long-term MGM contract
# The Enemy (1927) .... Jan
# Rookies (1927) .... Sgt. Diggs
# Slide, Kelly, Slide (1927) .... Swede Hansen
# The Red Mill (1927) .... Capt. Jacob Edam
20 January, 1927
The Big Parade" opened in Copenhagen in the World Cinema.
Den Store Parade
1928
# Alias Jimmy Valentine (1928) .... Swede
# Brotherly Love (1928) .... Oscar
# Detectives (1928) .... House Detective
# Circus Rookies (1928) .... Oscar Thrust
# The Trail of '98 (1928) .... Lars Petersen
# Baby Mine (1928) .... Oswald Hardy
June 1928 Karl falls for Russian dancer/actress, Thais Valdemar, and they move in to Karl's Beverly Hills home. They say they are married but are not 11 November 1928 Thais moves out of Beverly Hills home 10 December 1928 Thais files Breach of Promise suit against Karl for $75,000 1929 "China Bound" the last Dane & Arthur MGM comedy, opens
# Navy Blues (1929) .... Sven Swanson
# The Mysterious Island (1929) (uncredited)
# Speedway (1929) .... Dugan
# China Bound (1929) .... Sharkey Nye
# The Duke Steps Out (1929) .... Barney, Duke's Chauffeur
# All at Sea (1929) .... Stupid McDuff
# The Voice of the Storm (1929) .... Spike
1930
# New Moon (1930) (uncredited) .... Kirghiz soldier at Fort Darvaz
# Knights Before Christmas (1930)
# A Lady's Morals (1930) (uncredited) .... Swede in Audience
... aka Jenny Lind (UK)
... aka Soul Kiss (UK)
# Dizzy Dates (1930)
# Billy the Kid (1930) .... Swenson
... aka The Highwayman Rides (USA: TV title)
# Broken Wedding Bells (1930)
# Men Without Skirts (1930)
# The Big House (1930) .... Olsen
# Montana Moon (1930) .... Hank
Mid-1930 MGM drops Karl's option 5 November 1930 danish census - folketælling December 1930 to Mid-1931 Paramount sends Dane & Arthur on a 23-week Publix Theatre vaudeville tour
# Lime Juice Nights (1931)
# Dumbbells in Derbies (1931)
1932
Fast Life (1932) (uncredited) .... Olaf
December 1932 Karl is in his last film, the Mascot series "The Whispering Shadow" ... Sparks (dispatcher)
July-September 1933 Karl spends 3 months driving up and down the west coast hoping to find a good mining deal. He loses a large sum of money to an unscrupulous partner September 1933-April 1934 Karl tries to find work as an extra or a studio carpenter, and then opens a hot dog stand but this venture also fails 14 April 1934 Karl commits suicide Saturday evening 18 April 1934 Karl's funeral and burial at Hollywood Forever Cemetery 5 November 1940 danish census - folketælling 5 November 1950 danish census – folketælling
LINKS
Karl Dane - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Karl Dane. Retrieved May 5, 2005. Smith, Ronald. “Who's Who in Comedy.” Arthur and Dane. pp. 28-29. New York: Facts on File, 1992. ISBN 0816023387. ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Dane
References
* DeBartolo, John (2001). “My Four Years In Germany.”. Retrieved May 6, 2005.
* Forever Studios. “Hollywood Forever Network Lifestory: Karl Dane.” Retrieved May 5, 2005.
* Lussier, Tim (1998). “Son of the Sheik feature.” Retrieved May 6, 2005.
* Moviediva (2003). “The Scarlet Letter.” Retrieved May 6, 2005.
* Pearson, David et al. (2005) “Stars of the Photoplay (1930)”. Karl Dane. Retrieved May 5, 2005.
* Smith, Ronald. “Who's Who in Comedy.” Arthur and Dane. pp. 28-29. New York: Facts on File, 1992. ISBN 0816023387.
* Silents Are Golden. “Vintage Reviews.” Baby Mine, Rookies, Scarlet Letter, Trail of ’98. Retrieved May 6, 2005.
External links
* Silent Ladies & Gents Photo gallery.
* All Movie Guide Entry for "Karl Dane."
* Karl Dane at the Internet Movie Database
* Karl-Dane.com Karl Dane appreciation site
RootsWeb's WorldConnect Project: Rasmus Karl Therkelsen Gottlieb ...
researching this movie star in Copenhagen, Denmark and USA, and Laura Balogh is writing a biography of the Danish actor Karl Dane. ...
http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=karl-dane
Worked With http://www.allmovie.com/
Production Team:
* Al Boasberg (Screenwriter)
* Frances Marion (Screenwriter)
* Joseph Farnham (Intertitle Writer)
* John Arnold (Cinematographer)
* Dr. William Axt (Composer)
* David Mendoza (Composer)
* Hugh Wynn (Editor)
* Edward Sedgwick (Director)
* King Vidor (Director)
* Cecil B. DeMille (Producer)
* David Cox (Costume Designer)
* Cedric Gibbons (Art Director)
* Richard Day (Art Director)
Actors:
* William Haines
* George K. Arthur
* Buster Keaton
* Lionel Barrymore
* John Gilbert
* Gwen Lee
* Polly Moran
* Dorothy Sebastian
* Anita Page
* Tenen Holtz
Actor – filmography from http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0199322/
(1930s) (1920s) (1910s) metimes Credited As:
Dane and Arthur / Carl Dane
1. The Whispering Shadow (1933) .... Sparks (dispatcher)
2. Fast Life (1932) (uncredited) .... Olaf
3. Lime Juice Nights (1931)
4. Dumbbells in Derbies (1931)
5. New Moon (1930) (uncredited) .... Kirghiz soldier at Fort Darvaz
6. Knights Before Christmas (1930)
7. A Lady's Morals (1930) (uncredited) .... Swede in Audience
... aka Jenny Lind (UK)
... aka Soul Kiss (UK)
8. Dizzy Dates (1930)
9. Billy the Kid (1930) .... Swenson
... aka The Highwayman Rides (USA: TV title)
10. Broken Wedding Bells (1930)
11. Men Without Skirts (1930)
12. The Big House (1930) .... Olsen
13. Montana Moon (1930) .... Hank
14. Navy Blues (1929) .... Sven Swanson
15. The Mysterious Island (1929) (uncredited)
16. Speedway (1929) .... Dugan
17. China Bound (1929) .... Sharkey Nye
18. The Duke Steps Out (1929) .... Barney, Duke's Chauffeur
19. All at Sea (1929) .... Stupid McDuff
20. The Voice of the Storm (1929) .... Spike
21. Alias Jimmy Valentine (1928) .... Swede
22. Brotherly Love (1928) .... Oscar
23. Detectives (1928) .... House Detective
24. Circus Rookies (1928) .... Oscar Thrust
25. The Trail of '98 (1928) .... Lars Petersen
26. Baby Mine (1928) .... Oswald Hardy
27. The Enemy (1927) .... Jan
28. Rookies (1927) .... Sgt. Diggs
29. Slide, Kelly, Slide (1927) .... Swede Hansen
30. The Red Mill (1927) .... Capt. Jacob Edam
31. War Paint (1926) .... Petersen
32. Bardelys the Magnificent (1926) .... Rodenard
33. The Scarlet Letter (1926) .... Master Giles
34. The Son of the Sheik (1926) .... Ramadan
35. Monte Carlo (1926/I) .... The Doorman
36. Boheme, La (1926) .... Benoit
37. His Secretary (1925) .... Janitor
38. Lights of Old Broadway (1925) .... Roosevelt's Father
... aka Little Old New York (UK)
39. The Big Parade (1925) .... Slim
40. The Everlasting Whisper (1925) .... Jarrold
41. Daring Hearts (1919) .... Lieutenant Von Bergheim
42. The Great Victory, Wilson or the Kaiser? The Fall of the Hohenzollerns (1919) .... Von Bethmann Hollweg
... aka The Fall of the Hohenzollerns
... aka Why Germany Must Pay
... aka Wilson or the Kaiser
43. Wolves of Kultur (1918)
44. To Hell with the Kaiser! (1918) .... Von Hollweg
45. Her Final Reckoning (1918) .... Prince Tcheretoff
46. The Triumph of Venus (1918) .... Mars
47. My Four Years in Germany (1918) .... Chancellor von Bethmana-Hollweg
Filmography as: Actor, Self, Archive Footage
Self - filmography
(1930s) (1920s)
1. Crazy House (1930) .... Himself
2. Screen Snapshots Series 9, No. 23 (1930) .... Himself, Comedy Skit
3. Screen Snapshots Series 9, No. 20 (1930) .... Himself
4. Free and Easy (1930) .... Himself, Karl Dane, Actor, Cave Scene
... aka Easy Go (USA: TV title)
5. The March of Time (1930) .... Himself
6. The Hollywood Revue of 1929 (1929) (as Dane and Arthur) .... Himself
... aka The Hollywood Revue
7. Show People (1928) (uncredited) .... Himself (Cameo appearance)
http://www.silentsaregolden.com/photos2/karldanephoto.html
Karl Dane
Selected films of this star available for viewing:
My Four Years in Germany (1918)
The Big Parade (1925)
La Boheme (1926)
Son of the Sheik (1926)
The Scarlet Letter (1926)
The Trail of '98 (1928)
Karl Dane
A blog to record some of the progress I am making on my upcoming biography of Karl Dane. If you have information that you believe might be helpful, ...
http://karldane.blogspot.com/
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14 August 1858 Anne Kathrine Simonsen , his mother born in Aarhus, Hasle, Aarhus, Denmark
1 February 1870 census - folketælling circa 1874 confirmation ??
Rasmus Marius Gottlieb, 14 , , handskemager lærling
1 February 1880 census - folketælling
circa 1881
Rasmus Marius Gottlieb, 21 , handskemager svend
c 1881 Karl’s brother Georg Valdemar Johan Gottlieb born possibly in Aarhus 12 Apr 1884 parents married in Aarhus ? where
1884 and earlier
Krak vejviser
Gottlieb R M handskemager (glovemaker with own business)
Not listed
1 February 1885 census – folketælling Kjøbenhavn
Samtlige personer i husstanden
Kbhv, København (Staden), Badstuestræde, Kjøbenhavn, , Badstuestræde 8, forhus 2den sal, 5, FT-1885 Der vises flg. felter: Navn, Alder, Civilstand, Stilling i husstanden, Erhverv , Fødested Rasmus Marius Gottlieb, 25 , Gift, , handskemagersvend, Horsens
Anna Cathrine Gottlieb, 26 , Gift, , , Aarhus
folketælling 1885, bind 13, København
1885
Krak vejviser0
Gottlieb R M handskemager (glovemaker with own business)
Badstuestræde 8 Copenhagen, Denmark
06 Mar 1885 Reinald Marius Gottlieb born at Badstuestræde 8, forhus 2den sal, 5, Copenhagen, Denmark 26 Apr 1885 Baptized at Helligaandskirken
1886
Krak vejviser
Gottlieb R M handskemager (glovemaker with own business)
Turensensgade 22 Copenhagen, Denmark
12 October 1886 Karl Dane born Rasmus Carl Therkelsen Gottlieb Turesensgade 23, Copenhagen, Denmark . His father was Rasmus Carl Marius Gottlieb, a glovemaker, born in Horsens, and his mother was Anne Cathrine Simonsen, from Aarhus
1 November 1886
Carla Dagmar Hagen born in Copenhagen
father kunstdrejer svend (journeyman ornamental turner – ornamental lathe operator) Carl Ludvig Hagen
mother his wife Marie Helene Carlsen
1887
Krak vejviser
Gottlieb R M handskemager (glovemaker with own business)
Turensensgade 22 Copenhagen, Denmark
10 Apr 1887
Rasmus Carl Therkelsen Gottlieb baptised Skt Johannes kirke Copenhagen
His father Rasmus Carl Marius Gottlieb, a glovemaker, born in Horsens, mother was Anne Cathrine Simonsen, from Aarhus
fadderne:-
Fru Jørgensen Madsen
Snedker Niels Balle Jørgensen
1888
Krak vejviser
Gottlieb R M handskemager (glovemaker with own business)
Vimmelskaftet 41 3 Copenhagen, Denmark
1889
Krak vejviser
Gottlieb R M handskemager (glovemaker with own business)
Pilestraæde 27 3 Copenhagen, Denmark
1 February 1890 census - folketælling
1890
Krak vejviser
Gottlieb R M handskemager (glovemaker with own business)
Pilestraæde 27 3 Copenhagen, Denmark
1891 not found
Krak vejviser
Gottlieb R M handskemager (glovemaker with own business)
Not listed
18 Aug 1891
smallpox vaccination of the brothers by Dr Schlieme
03 February 1893
Reinald Marius joined 1 class at Nansensgade School, Copenhagen
From their home at Nørrevoldgade 26 3 Copenhagen, Denmark
This means they had an apartment on the third floor before moving to number 38
03 Aug 1892
funeral of Georg Valdemar Johan Gottlieb
bopæl Aarhus source Register til Begravelsels protokoller 1892- 1900 mænd Rådhus København
cause of death
Vulneratioum af lungerne, ribensbrud
Kommune Hospital, Aarhus
1892 not found
Krak vejviser
Gottlieb R M handskemager (glovemaker with own business)
Not listed
03 February 1893
Rasmus Karl joined 1 class at Nansensgade School, Copenhagen
From home at Nørrevoldgade 38 Stue Copenhagen, Denmark
This means they had an apartment on the ground floor
as well as from 1896 at least the workshop outback
1893 not found
Krak vejviser
Gottlieb R M handskemager (glovemaker with own business)
Not listed
Brothers walked to and from Nansensgade School
1894 not found
Krak vejviser
Gottlieb R M handskemager (glovemaker with own business)
Not listed
Brothers walked to and from Nansensgade School
1895 not found
Krak vejviser
Gottlieb R M handskemager (glovemaker with own business)
Not listed
Brothers walked to and from Nansensgade School
1 February 1895 census - folketælling
1896
Krak vejviser
Gottlieb R M handskemager (glovemaker with own business)
Nørrevoldgade 38 Bps Copenhagen, Denmark
Brothers walked to and from Nansensgade School
1897
Krak vejviser
Gottlieb R M handskemager (glovemaker with own business)
Nørrevoldgade 38 Bps Copenhagen, Denmark
Brothers walking to and from Nansensgade School
1898
Krak vejviser
Gottlieb R M handskemager (glovemaker with own business)
Nørrevoldgade 38 Bps Copenhagen, Denmark
Brothers walked to and from Nansensgade School
1899
Krak vejviser
Gottlieb R M handskemager (glovemaker with own business)
Nørrevoldgade 38 Bps Copenhagen, Denmark
02 November 1899
Reinald Marius left 6E class at Nansensgade School, Copenhagen
Occupation – Kf (the archivist suggested konfirmation – I would expect him to be a bydrenge – errand boy for his father or even have tried to be an apprentice glove maker)
1900
Krak vejviser
Gottlieb R M handskemager (glovemaker with own business)
Nørrevoldgade 38 Bps Copenhagen, Denmark
1999 or 1900 Confirmation ?
02 November 1900
Rasmus Karl left 6E class at Nansensgade School, Copenhagen
Occupation – Hammer (hammer man and apprentice smith at Hüttemeir)
1900 Carl and his elder brother Reinald, are apprenticed as machinists
Maskinelære hos Smith, Mygind & Hüttemeir 68 Nørrebrogade Copenhagen den sorte firkant Their grand father was a metal workte
14-year-old Karl Dane first appeared on stage in the Copenhagen theater owned by his father ???
Dilettantkomedie - where and when ?
1901 onwards not found
Krak vejviser
Gottlieb R M handskemager (glovemaker with own business)
Not listed
1 February 1901 census - folketælling
#where the Danish archive research began TILGANGS REGISTER FOR KØBENHAVN
volume B 1904 for boys born in 1886
1904 session værnepligtige
= medical and interview
conscript number 1814
# born Copenhagen St Johns parish
recorded in UDSKIVENINGSKREDS LANDRULLE
with name and occupation of his father which gave the entrance to the Danish civil record system which is conducted by the parish church office
address – Dosseringen 52 I Copenhagen
Blaagard Hellig Kors Sogn (parish)
14 November 1905
new address – Blaagaardsgade 42 41 st3 Copenhagen
Blaagard Hellig Kors Sogn (parish)
1 February 1906 census - folketælling
23 August 1906 new address – Dosseringen 4 3 Copenhagen
Blaagard Hellig Kors Sogn (parish)
then you go into
UDSKIVENINGSKREDS LANDRULLE
and try and work out what the abbreviations mean
1907 he was 71 ¾ Danish inches tall
His occupation smed = blacksmith was crossed out and electrician written in - elektriker
4 June 1907 to 1. Artilleri battalion as a raw recruit
in England when trained his rank would be gunner or driver
5 June 1908 appointed Under Korporal / Lance Corporal 3 July 1908 sent home
13 September 1909 called up again
4 October 1909 sent home
1907-1908 Carl completes compulsory military service in First Artillery Battalion Kystartilleret på Trekroner 1908 Underkorporal
3 May 1910
new address -- Webersgade 11 3 30 Copenhagen
Elsajaskirken, Østervold pastorat Sogn (parish)
10 September 1910 Ungkarl Rasmus Karl Therkelsen Gottlieb
(occupation mekaniker of Webersgade 11 3 - his father and mother of Dosseringen 3 )
married at Skt Pauls Kirke, Skt Pauls Plads, København K Danmark by Sogne præsten
pige Carla Dagmar Hagen, (a dressmaker of Svensonsgade 55b Copenhagen)
father kunstdrejer svend Carl Ludvig Hagen
mother his wife Marie Helene Carlsen
sponsors
Kvartermand J Bendsen of Søndre Boulevard 96
Colonialhandler Axel Jacobsen Søndre Boulevard 74
Tilsyningbestillede 13 August 1910
Tillysman. 14 August 1910
17 September 1910
new address – Marstalsgade 51 Mez. Copenhagen
St Jakobs Sogn (parish)
13 Oct 1910
mother Anna Cathrine Gottlieb dies aged 58 Dosseringen, Copenhagen Denmark?
1 February 1911 census - folketælling
4 March 1911 Karl and Carla's son, Ejlert Carl Gottlieb, is born Marstalsgade 51 mezzanine, Copenhagen, Denmark
31 July 1912 Daughter Ingeborg Helene Gottlieb is born Marstalsgade 51 mezzanine, Copenhagen, Denmark
3 November 1912 baptism St Stefans pastorat
fadderne (holding and presenting the baby)
Fru Ingeborg Hagen
Drejer Carl Hagen
Fabrikante Aage Hagen
All of Svensonsgade 4 2
4 November 1912 the remarks in the church book included the date and place of the marriage above
19 November 1912
new address – Asminderødgade 7 4 Copenhagen
St Stefans Sogn (parish)
29 October 1913
new address – Esromgade 1 Stue Copenhagen
St Stefans Sogn (parish)
6 August 1914 called up to the newly organised Kystartilleri which was to man the coastal defence batteries
31 May 1915 sent home
25 September 1915
new address -- Webersgade 17 2 Copenhagen
Elsajaskirken, Østervold pastorat Sogn (parish)
1 November 1915 called to active service again
15 November 1915 appointed Korporal not found in Kystartilleri battalion stambog catalogued as Kystartilleri regiment 0230 – 084 109 -111 Rigsarkivet
6 August 1914 With the outbreak of WWI, although Denmark is a neutral country, Karl is back in his old unit, now called the Coastal Artillery, to defend Danish shores 1 November 1915 Karl promoted to Corporal December 1915 Karl discharged from military
Therkelsen-Gottlieb, Rasmus Carl [sic] mekaniker KØBH 215 registerd his ticket with the police Københavns Politi Rejsende Udvandrede Direket LAK-1-235
25 January 1916 Karl sails for New York on ship Oskar II.
11 February 1916 arrives and settles in Brooklyn at 345 Court Street with friend Charles Lindgren 1 February 1916 danish census – folketælling
Webersgade Copenhagen archive lost or mislaid
LANDRULLE OMSKRIVEN TILGANSLISTE B 1 2 –
Vedtegning Elektriker
15 November 1911 Utspe Korporal
23 October 1916 Ej Fund, failed to meet for duty
3 November 1916 til PE reported to police as AWOL or deserter ???
1933 Ej omtrf Mdbf hent
1934 UDSLETTED - removed from the lists of conscript soldiers
[possibly he would have been imprisoned if he had returned to Denmark??]
1 May 1916
police station 3
new address – Fredericiagade 69 2. Copenhagen
???? Sogn (parish)
Syesker Carla Dagmar Gottlierb age 29 , Ejlert Carl Gottlieb age 5, Ingeborg Helene Gottlieb age 3
June 1917 Karl is now living at 430 Clermont Avenue in Brooklyn and working as a machinist at the Robert Gair Company on Washington Street
1917 Appears in first film at Vitagraph Studios in Fort Lee, NJ but is cut out of the final film Appears in "My Four Years in Germany" with Warner Brothers as Chancellor von Bethmann-Hollweg March 1918 Release of "My Four Years in Germany"
1918 Appears in Pathe's "The Wolves of Kultur" with Charles Hutchison Appears in "To Hell with the Kaiser"
# Wolves of Kultur (1918)
# To Hell with the Kaiser! (1918) .... Von Hollweg
# Her Final Reckoning (1918) .... Prince Tcheretoff
# The Triumph of Venus (1918) .... Mars
# My Four Years in Germany (1918) .... Chancellor von Bethmana-Hollweg
1919
# Daring Hearts (1919) .... Lieutenant Von Bergheim
# The Great Victory, Wilson or the Kaiser? The Fall of the Hohenzollerns (1919) .... Von Bethmann Hollweg
... aka The Fall of the Hohenzollerns
... aka Why Germany Must Pay
... aka Wilson or the Kaiser
1 February 1921 danish census - folketælling
1921 Karl meets Swedish immigrant Helen Benson, quits films, and together they move to California and open a chicken farm in Van Nuys, Los Angeles, California USA
in the heart of the San Fernando Valley
Hønseri og Aplesinfarm
Orange groves
Van Nuys farming Runnymede chicken farms
Runnymede Chicken Ranch
Van Nuys "orange groves"
pastoral landscape of orange groves and olive trees
Mr. Hughan had been farming the land- largely orange groves and castor beans- ... At the end of 1933 Kinner moved his operations to the Van Nuys Airport
http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Reseda,_Los_Angeles,_California
http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Van_Nuys%2C_Los_Angeles%2C_California
15 June 1921 Karl marries Helen Benson, Swedish immigrant, in Hollywood 9 August 1923 Helen dies in childbirth in Van Nuys August-December 1923 Karl meets Charles Hutchison on the street and Hutchison persuades him to re-enter films and appear in a serial he is producing Stunt man 8 March 1924 Karl married Emma A Sawyer, a supervisor for the phone company 30 September 1924 Emma and Karl separate Nov-Dec 1924 King Visor is casting for the film "The Big Parade." Robert McIntyre, Casting Director at MGM, who in 1917 gave Karl his first job at Vitagraph, suggests Karl for the part of Slim 1925 "The Big Parade" opens where when ??? “Den store Parade” Ingeborg sees her lost father on screen 12 years since his brother saw him and he is intervened in Aahus by Politiken newspaper
# His Secretary (1925) .... Janitor
# Lights of Old Broadway (1925) .... Roosevelt's Father
... aka Little Old New York (UK)
# The Big Parade (1925) .... Slim
# The Everlasting Whisper (1925) .... Jarrold
5 November 1925 danish census - folketælling May 1926 Emma brings suit against Karl for support 5 June 1926 Karl signs MGM contract
# War Paint (1926) .... Petersen
# Bardelys the Magnificent (1926) .... Rodenard
# The Scarlet Letter (1926) .... Master Giles
# The Son of the Sheik (1926) .... Ramadan
# Monte Carlo (1926/I) .... The Doorman
# Boheme, La (1926) .... Benoit
1926 Karl appears in the film "Bardelys the Magnificent." George K Arthur is in the cast, and Harry Rapf pairs the two up in the comedy duo, Dane & Arthur May 1927 First Dane & Arthur MGM feature, "Rookies" opens. It is a smash hit. 11 June 1927 Karl signs long-term MGM contract
# The Enemy (1927) .... Jan
# Rookies (1927) .... Sgt. Diggs
# Slide, Kelly, Slide (1927) .... Swede Hansen
# The Red Mill (1927) .... Capt. Jacob Edam
20 January, 1927
The Big Parade" opened in Copenhagen in the World Cinema.
Den Store Parade
1928
# Alias Jimmy Valentine (1928) .... Swede
# Brotherly Love (1928) .... Oscar
# Detectives (1928) .... House Detective
# Circus Rookies (1928) .... Oscar Thrust
# The Trail of '98 (1928) .... Lars Petersen
# Baby Mine (1928) .... Oswald Hardy
June 1928 Karl falls for Russian dancer/actress, Thais Valdemar, and they move in to Karl's Beverly Hills home. They say they are married but are not 11 November 1928 Thais moves out of Beverly Hills home 10 December 1928 Thais files Breach of Promise suit against Karl for $75,000 1929 "China Bound" the last Dane & Arthur MGM comedy, opens
# Navy Blues (1929) .... Sven Swanson
# The Mysterious Island (1929) (uncredited)
# Speedway (1929) .... Dugan
# China Bound (1929) .... Sharkey Nye
# The Duke Steps Out (1929) .... Barney, Duke's Chauffeur
# All at Sea (1929) .... Stupid McDuff
# The Voice of the Storm (1929) .... Spike
1930
# New Moon (1930) (uncredited) .... Kirghiz soldier at Fort Darvaz
# Knights Before Christmas (1930)
# A Lady's Morals (1930) (uncredited) .... Swede in Audience
... aka Jenny Lind (UK)
... aka Soul Kiss (UK)
# Dizzy Dates (1930)
# Billy the Kid (1930) .... Swenson
... aka The Highwayman Rides (USA: TV title)
# Broken Wedding Bells (1930)
# Men Without Skirts (1930)
# The Big House (1930) .... Olsen
# Montana Moon (1930) .... Hank
Mid-1930 MGM drops Karl's option 5 November 1930 danish census - folketælling December 1930 to Mid-1931 Paramount sends Dane & Arthur on a 23-week Publix Theatre vaudeville tour
# Lime Juice Nights (1931)
# Dumbbells in Derbies (1931)
1932
Fast Life (1932) (uncredited) .... Olaf
December 1932 Karl is in his last film, the Mascot series "The Whispering Shadow" ... Sparks (dispatcher)
July-September 1933 Karl spends 3 months driving up and down the west coast hoping to find a good mining deal. He loses a large sum of money to an unscrupulous partner September 1933-April 1934 Karl tries to find work as an extra or a studio carpenter, and then opens a hot dog stand but this venture also fails 14 April 1934 Karl commits suicide Saturday evening 18 April 1934 Karl's funeral and burial at Hollywood Forever Cemetery 5 November 1940 danish census - folketælling 5 November 1950 danish census – folketælling
LINKS
Karl Dane - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Karl Dane. Retrieved May 5, 2005. Smith, Ronald. “Who's Who in Comedy.” Arthur and Dane. pp. 28-29. New York: Facts on File, 1992. ISBN 0816023387. ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Dane
References
* DeBartolo, John (2001). “My Four Years In Germany.”. Retrieved May 6, 2005.
* Forever Studios. “Hollywood Forever Network Lifestory: Karl Dane.” Retrieved May 5, 2005.
* Lussier, Tim (1998). “Son of the Sheik feature.” Retrieved May 6, 2005.
* Moviediva (2003). “The Scarlet Letter.” Retrieved May 6, 2005.
* Pearson, David et al. (2005) “Stars of the Photoplay (1930)”. Karl Dane. Retrieved May 5, 2005.
* Smith, Ronald. “Who's Who in Comedy.” Arthur and Dane. pp. 28-29. New York: Facts on File, 1992. ISBN 0816023387.
* Silents Are Golden. “Vintage Reviews.” Baby Mine, Rookies, Scarlet Letter, Trail of ’98. Retrieved May 6, 2005.
External links
* Silent Ladies & Gents Photo gallery.
* All Movie Guide Entry for "Karl Dane."
* Karl Dane at the Internet Movie Database
* Karl-Dane.com Karl Dane appreciation site
RootsWeb's WorldConnect Project: Rasmus Karl Therkelsen Gottlieb ...
researching this movie star in Copenhagen, Denmark and USA, and Laura Balogh is writing a biography of the Danish actor Karl Dane. ...
http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=karl-dane
Worked With http://www.allmovie.com/
Production Team:
* Al Boasberg (Screenwriter)
* Frances Marion (Screenwriter)
* Joseph Farnham (Intertitle Writer)
* John Arnold (Cinematographer)
* Dr. William Axt (Composer)
* David Mendoza (Composer)
* Hugh Wynn (Editor)
* Edward Sedgwick (Director)
* King Vidor (Director)
* Cecil B. DeMille (Producer)
* David Cox (Costume Designer)
* Cedric Gibbons (Art Director)
* Richard Day (Art Director)
Actors:
* William Haines
* George K. Arthur
* Buster Keaton
* Lionel Barrymore
* John Gilbert
* Gwen Lee
* Polly Moran
* Dorothy Sebastian
* Anita Page
* Tenen Holtz
Actor – filmography from http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0199322/
(1930s) (1920s) (1910s) metimes Credited As:
Dane and Arthur / Carl Dane
1. The Whispering Shadow (1933) .... Sparks (dispatcher)
2. Fast Life (1932) (uncredited) .... Olaf
3. Lime Juice Nights (1931)
4. Dumbbells in Derbies (1931)
5. New Moon (1930) (uncredited) .... Kirghiz soldier at Fort Darvaz
6. Knights Before Christmas (1930)
7. A Lady's Morals (1930) (uncredited) .... Swede in Audience
... aka Jenny Lind (UK)
... aka Soul Kiss (UK)
8. Dizzy Dates (1930)
9. Billy the Kid (1930) .... Swenson
... aka The Highwayman Rides (USA: TV title)
10. Broken Wedding Bells (1930)
11. Men Without Skirts (1930)
12. The Big House (1930) .... Olsen
13. Montana Moon (1930) .... Hank
14. Navy Blues (1929) .... Sven Swanson
15. The Mysterious Island (1929) (uncredited)
16. Speedway (1929) .... Dugan
17. China Bound (1929) .... Sharkey Nye
18. The Duke Steps Out (1929) .... Barney, Duke's Chauffeur
19. All at Sea (1929) .... Stupid McDuff
20. The Voice of the Storm (1929) .... Spike
21. Alias Jimmy Valentine (1928) .... Swede
22. Brotherly Love (1928) .... Oscar
23. Detectives (1928) .... House Detective
24. Circus Rookies (1928) .... Oscar Thrust
25. The Trail of '98 (1928) .... Lars Petersen
26. Baby Mine (1928) .... Oswald Hardy
27. The Enemy (1927) .... Jan
28. Rookies (1927) .... Sgt. Diggs
29. Slide, Kelly, Slide (1927) .... Swede Hansen
30. The Red Mill (1927) .... Capt. Jacob Edam
31. War Paint (1926) .... Petersen
32. Bardelys the Magnificent (1926) .... Rodenard
33. The Scarlet Letter (1926) .... Master Giles
34. The Son of the Sheik (1926) .... Ramadan
35. Monte Carlo (1926/I) .... The Doorman
36. Boheme, La (1926) .... Benoit
37. His Secretary (1925) .... Janitor
38. Lights of Old Broadway (1925) .... Roosevelt's Father
... aka Little Old New York (UK)
39. The Big Parade (1925) .... Slim
40. The Everlasting Whisper (1925) .... Jarrold
41. Daring Hearts (1919) .... Lieutenant Von Bergheim
42. The Great Victory, Wilson or the Kaiser? The Fall of the Hohenzollerns (1919) .... Von Bethmann Hollweg
... aka The Fall of the Hohenzollerns
... aka Why Germany Must Pay
... aka Wilson or the Kaiser
43. Wolves of Kultur (1918)
44. To Hell with the Kaiser! (1918) .... Von Hollweg
45. Her Final Reckoning (1918) .... Prince Tcheretoff
46. The Triumph of Venus (1918) .... Mars
47. My Four Years in Germany (1918) .... Chancellor von Bethmana-Hollweg
Filmography as: Actor, Self, Archive Footage
Self - filmography
(1930s) (1920s)
1. Crazy House (1930) .... Himself
2. Screen Snapshots Series 9, No. 23 (1930) .... Himself, Comedy Skit
3. Screen Snapshots Series 9, No. 20 (1930) .... Himself
4. Free and Easy (1930) .... Himself, Karl Dane, Actor, Cave Scene
... aka Easy Go (USA: TV title)
5. The March of Time (1930) .... Himself
6. The Hollywood Revue of 1929 (1929) (as Dane and Arthur) .... Himself
... aka The Hollywood Revue
7. Show People (1928) (uncredited) .... Himself (Cameo appearance)
http://www.silentsaregolden.com/photos2/karldanephoto.html
Karl Dane
Selected films of this star available for viewing:
My Four Years in Germany (1918)
The Big Parade (1925)
La Boheme (1926)
Son of the Sheik (1926)
The Scarlet Letter (1926)
The Trail of '98 (1928)
Karl Dane
A blog to record some of the progress I am making on my upcoming biography of Karl Dane. If you have information that you believe might be helpful, ...
http://karldane.blogspot.com/
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